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Two women during a same-sex demonstration in Paris. (AP Photo/Benjamin Girette, File)

'Marriage for all' in France as Hollande signs a bill and makes it law

The legislation also legalises gay adoption.

FRANCE BECAME THE 14th country to legalise same-sex marriage after President Francois Hollande signed the measure into law following months of bitter political debate.

Hollande acted a day after the Constitutional Council threw out a legal challenge by the right-wing opposition, which had been the last obstacle to passing the bill into law. The legislation also legalises gay adoption.

But while gay rights groups hailed the move, opponents of the measures have vowed to fight on.

Hollande made “marriage for all” a central plank of his presidential election campaign last year.

On Friday, he tried to turn the page on months of bitter opposition to the measures, arguing it was “time to respect the law and the Republic”.

“I will ensure that the law applies across the whole territory, in full, and I will not accept any disruption of these marriages,” said the president.

The Socialist mayor of the southern French city of Montpellier will officiate the municipality’s first gay marriage on May 29, in what is also expected to be the country’s first.

Violent protests

Marriages in France must be civil ceremonies performed in town halls, most of which take several weeks to process applications. Couples can then hold a religious ceremony.

The issue of gay marriage and adoption has provoked months of acrimonious debate and hundreds of protests that have occasionally spilled over into violence and is unlikely to drop off the political agenda.

Although the Constitutional Council approved the bill on Friday, the International Day Against Homophobia, its opponents have vowed to fight on.

They have called a major protest rally scheduled for May 26 in Paris and previous protests have drawn hundreds of thousands of people.

In April, the main right-wing opposition UMP party of former president Nicolas Sarkozy challenged the measures on constitutional grounds immediately after deputies passed the bill in parliament.

But Friday’s statement by the Constitutional Council said same-sex marriage “did not run contrary to any constitutional principles,” and that it did not infringe on “basic rights or liberties or national sovereignty”.

Reacting to the ruling Friday, UMP party chief Jean-Francois Cope told TF1 television: “It is a decision that I regret, but that I respect.”

But late on Friday, between 200 and 300 protesters gathered in central Paris to denounce the ruling backing the bill and calling on Hollande to resign. One police officer was injured after a flammable liquid was thrown in his face.

- © AFP, 2013

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    Mute Val Kearney
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    May 18th 2013, 11:59 AM

    Homosexual behaviour has been observed in 1500 species. Homophobic behaviour has been observed in one.

    Fair play France.

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    Mute Mike Flynn
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    May 18th 2013, 12:23 PM

    It’s only a ploy to distract from their shocking economy.

    But still, it’s a nice gesture.

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    Mute Ian Martin
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    May 18th 2013, 12:26 PM

    Allodoxaphobia has only been found in one species also though it affects mostly homosexuals .

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    May 18th 2013, 12:33 PM

    @ Ian No fear at all – you seem to be the one suffering from a phobia

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    May 18th 2013, 1:42 PM

    So Ian you think the fear of opinions is solely the provenance of homosexuals… really? Because as far as I can see all religious organisations which are THE root cause of homophobia have that phobia entirely for themselves because they want no one else to express an opinion contrary to theirs.

    It seems you have dikephobia – the fear of justice, because justice will only be done to the gay community when marriage is equal for all.

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    May 18th 2013, 4:36 PM

    The killing of young babies have been observed in other species does that make it ok for mommy to kill her toddler? Animals are not capable of morality or reason and their involuntary actions cannot be used to propel homosexuality in humans who do retain reason and a moral compass.

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    May 18th 2013, 4:47 PM

    Stephen,

    Are you really that much of a deluded person, that you think being Gay is a choice?.

    If so, why do you think this?

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    May 18th 2013, 5:45 PM

    @ Stephen McElligott : citation needed

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    May 18th 2013, 5:57 PM

    Are you involved in an ex-gay minister or another group offering “conversion therapy” Stephen?
    Every major western medical organisation states that sexuality is inate and unchangeable, in 2001 US Surgeon General David Satcher said “there is no valid scientific evidence that sexual orientation can be changed”.
    They also do not consider homosexuality a psychological disorder.
    Anyone who says they were attracted to men but now are attracted to women are either lying or bisexual.

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    May 18th 2013, 6:14 PM

    Name one medical, psychological or psychiatric organisation that regards homosexuality as a disorder.
    The ex gay ministries don’t ‘cure’ homosexuality, they indoctrinate represion of sexuality. If they worked to ‘cure’ homosexuality they would all involve similar techniques, but they don’t. It’s a bunch of quackery and hocus pocus.

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    May 18th 2013, 6:21 PM

    Stephen mcelligott, you are 100% right though you might as well be talking to a concrete block you would get more sense from it these people cannot and will not face the truth

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    May 18th 2013, 6:21 PM

    Identical twins have the same DNA and if one is gay, the other is also gay more than 70% of the time. If one is left handed, the other is also left handed about 25% of the time. There is loads of evidence of genetic influence on sexuality, unfortunately for you you won’t find it at the back of a church.

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    May 18th 2013, 6:26 PM

    So you can not provide any evidence for your assertions then Stephen, could that be because they are untrue and based on a the dictates of the Pope rather then any sort of testable evidence?

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    May 18th 2013, 7:15 PM

    Stephen.

    So to be clear, you’re now saying that being Gay is not a choice, as you don’t chose to have a mental disorder?. Is your head really so far up the a*se of the RCC that you’re incapable of logical thinking?

    There has been no credible study, to suggest being Gay is a choice or that it is a mental disorder.
    Your views belong in bin, much like your religion, as they are incapable of understanding the modern world.

    Ian Martin,

    I don’t know what you are, to be honest, but similar to Jesus boy, show me a credible study that shows being Gay is a choice?

    Also, didn’t Jesus have two dads? He turned out fine… except for the whole crucifixion thing, but that that happened because some powerful men didn’t like him, not for having two dads!

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    May 18th 2013, 7:41 PM

    Living the gay lifestyle’ I live with a gay guy, his lifestyle includes going to work and cooking dinner. Why is that shameful exactly?

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    May 18th 2013, 8:02 PM

    Respect to Ian. Loads of people reading this definitely agree with him and just haven’t bothered backing him up. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

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    May 18th 2013, 8:06 PM

    I said being born gay maybe is not a choice,however if you go and have a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex of course that is a choice how could it not be and no Jesus did not have two dads even though that does suit your agenda to say so.

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    May 18th 2013, 8:12 PM

    It’s like saying people are born sluts. They don’t choose to have sexual relations with men. That’s grand then.

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    May 18th 2013, 8:18 PM

    And why Ian, should a LGBT person be expected to live a live of celibacy, why should we be denied the right to a meaningful, permanent, sexual and romantic relationship or our families not enjoy the same protection that the state would grant any other? Would it have anything to do with your lifestyle choice Ian?

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    May 18th 2013, 8:28 PM

    But he did, ‘God’ & Joseph ?

    Also, you say “I said being born gay maybe is not a choice,however if you go and have a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex of course that is a choice”.

    I’m sure that if you’re Gay, part of that is having a relationship with another person.

    Or are you happy if someone is Gay, they don’t have a relationship with another person. Your view is very distorted and quite sad. Sad in so far as you have an issued with two people who love each other getting married ?

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    May 18th 2013, 8:42 PM

    Erm…

    They do take responsibility for their sex lives? I’m sure what you mean by that, but I’ll just add that your list of strange remarks.

    And your analogy between Gay people and Serial Killers is astonishing, you REALLY think that Gay People are akin to a person who murders another person?

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    May 18th 2013, 8:53 PM

    Twisting my words their Dublin lad no serial killers are not akin to homosexuals but now that you mention it some of Americas most infamous serial killers were homosexuals dahmer and gacy to name but two and no Joseph was not the father of Jesus also everyone knows you can only have one father.

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    May 18th 2013, 9:07 PM

    What do you mean by take responsibility for their sex lives.
    We lead the way in the fight against AIDS, while Rome preached against condoms in a cynical attempt to prop up their numbers. We demanded proper sex education while Rome demanded ignorance, us and our allies researched AIDS while your kind praised it as god’s wrath.
    Maybe Rome and its servants should take responsibility for the vast amount of violence committed in its name agains LGBT people and its propagation of AIDS in Africa and the western world.
    The lifestyle choice of the Catholics has hurt countless millions.

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    May 18th 2013, 9:11 PM

    Now that you mention it Ian, most serial killers and war criminals are heterosexuals and quite a large number of them are Christians, or where subject to a Christian ethos in education.

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    May 18th 2013, 9:30 PM

    I didn’t twist your words, you made a complete ass out of yourself, all by yourself.

    Congratulations on that, by the way.

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    May 18th 2013, 9:59 PM

    You said I made out that homosexuals were akin to serial killers i never said that That was just the way you decided to take it up you paranoid fool.

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    May 18th 2013, 11:04 PM

    Awh,

    Have I touched a nerve?

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    May 19th 2013, 2:17 PM

    Good for Holland he rating on the economy is at the lowest possible, at least he had his priority right concentrating on something (though actually important to them) actually effects 0.01pc of the population.

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    May 18th 2013, 11:29 AM

    Well done France!!! Lets hope we follow suit very soon :)

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    May 18th 2013, 12:30 PM
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    May 18th 2013, 1:46 PM

    And if the most homophobic country in western Europe can do it …

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    May 18th 2013, 11:31 AM

    Why do people have such a fear of gay marriage? Why do they seem to think it may damage their own marriage. Have they no trust in their hetro partner?

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    May 18th 2013, 12:24 PM

    For sound scientific reasons. They’ll be less married if it happens:

    http://damoclesbda.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/gay-marriage-the-hidden-science-danger/

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    May 18th 2013, 12:24 PM

    Because they think it’ll make them equal citizens.

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    May 18th 2013, 12:36 PM

    I don’t have a fear of gay marriage…I just hate all of this über active issue making out of everything.. Just let them marry and be done with it…there is somebody coming out everyday as well…again,who gives a tosh?.. I just want everybody to relax and carry on with their lives…stop being so sensitive

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    May 18th 2013, 12:37 PM

    I don’t fear gay marriage..I just fear marriage as such;))

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    May 18th 2013, 12:45 PM

    If you’re against gay marriage, you’re a bit of an idiot or just ignorant. And why do they think they can tell strangers what to do with their lives? At least these protesters are in the slowly dying out minority, thank christ on a bike.

    Someone once said that ‘the world improves with each funeral’. (obviously meant the older generation)

    I can just picture a couple hundred hysterical, busy-bodies foaming at the mouth on the streets of Paris. Same mentality as the flag protesters up the North. Chattel, the lot of them. Open your mind, read a book and get a life.

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    May 18th 2013, 1:24 PM

    Cos what’s next, people marrying rocks? Goats marrying their dinner? Marriage is not about love. It’s about conceiving loads of children naturally without contraception or abortions. That’s why the Iona institute is busy campaigning for mandatory divorces for infertile couples and to make sure nobody can get married until they have at least one child!

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    May 18th 2013, 1:41 PM

    Are you serious? I’d love to debate goats and rocks with you, but eh, I won’t.

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    May 18th 2013, 1:53 PM

    Goats are already allowed to marry. In the Sudan anyway http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4748292.stm

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    May 18th 2013, 2:22 PM

    Kevin, AggSec is parodying. Read this one: http://damoclesbda.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/a-budgie-marries-a-cat/

    Or don’t. No skin off my nose.

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    May 18th 2013, 3:09 PM

    Just be quiet already.

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    May 18th 2013, 3:40 PM

    I tried gay once…I think it was Tuesday one early spring…my arse was on fire until next autumn.

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    May 18th 2013, 4:13 PM

    @ Damocles; Thanks. Poe’s law again.

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    May 18th 2013, 5:42 PM

    Hope that hammered it home for you Kevin. So to speak.

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    May 18th 2013, 11:36 AM

    Fair play to france. Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

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    May 18th 2013, 11:32 AM

    Rock on France!

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    May 18th 2013, 11:37 AM

    Those protesters seem like fine upstanding citizens. No to gay marriage. Yes to throwing flammable liquid at people.

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    May 18th 2013, 11:38 AM

    Gay Marriage for some, miniature American flags for all!

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    May 18th 2013, 1:08 PM

    If you’re against gay marraige, blame straight people. They’re the ones who keep having gay babies

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    May 18th 2013, 12:52 PM

    Equality is about equal rights in taxation, inheritance rights etc. No matter what our orientation (religious, sexual or cultural) we are likely to have been raised to believe that marriage is the act which allows us to publically pledge our committment and love for another person. To limit the ability to make that committment goes against all we have been taught. Marriage and family are indelibly linked, but the definition of family has moved away from the mother, father, 2.4 children and labrador image of old – without the total disintegration of society mooted by opponents. Why can’t marriage do the same?

    As for adoption, I am adopted and enjoyed a fully accepted, normal childhood. Usual ups and downs but no different from my peers. (I use normal advisedly here, we all have our traumas and trimphs) Qualifying for adoption is extrordinarily difficult so using child protection as a reason to prevent a child from having parents (single, unmarried, married, gay, older, whatever) is churlish at best and ultimately robs the child of any chance of a normal childhood.

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    May 18th 2013, 11:56 AM

    Fantastic news! UK should follow soon!

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    May 18th 2013, 3:06 PM

    I look forward to the day Ireland legalizes same sex marriages. It’s time to move with the times and stop living in the stone age. It’s not wrong to love, it’s wrong to hate.

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    May 18th 2013, 11:33 AM

    Terrible news .

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    May 18th 2013, 11:40 AM

    Don’t like Gay Marriage?, don’t have one. Simple.

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    May 18th 2013, 11:48 AM

    Ian,I have decided you are not entitled to get married.

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    May 18th 2013, 12:06 PM

    Yeah we will decide what rights you get to have in a journal poll.

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    May 18th 2013, 12:26 PM

    The reply to that is always “don’t like slavery? Don’t have a slave”.

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    May 18th 2013, 5:22 PM

    The difference being that you and your partner gets a say in weather they get married or not, a slave doesn’t get a say into weather they’re enslaved or not.

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    May 18th 2013, 6:15 PM

    @Mike That’s because the anti-equality brigade aren’t educated well enough to make rational arguments. That is an obvious false analogy.

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    May 18th 2013, 11:51 AM

    Which one is the husband in that photo?

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    May 18th 2013, 11:57 AM

    They’re both husbands. No sexism there!

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    May 18th 2013, 6:40 PM

    They are probably more of a man than you are, you bigoted creep

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    May 18th 2013, 12:21 PM

    Give them a few years of marriage and see if they still call themselves Gay.
    (just joking folks,hope Ireland and the rest of the civilised world follows soon)

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    May 18th 2013, 6:28 PM

    People are born gay – it is not a “lifestyle choice”. Who on earth would choice to be gay in a small town in rural Ireland?

    I know somebody from a small village in co Kerry, who “came out” in the 1970′s and their life was hell after it.

    The parish priest found out about it and started ranting disgusting homophoic homilies from the pulpit. This man, who was religious, stopped going to mass.

    In some shops, he would not even be served. Some old people actually spat at him on the road.

    We have come a long way since then

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    May 18th 2013, 12:45 PM

    As a libertarian I’m in favour of equality for homosexual couples, I just don’t know why the state should be involved in certifying marriage at all. If two (or more) people want to marry, go see someone who’ll draft up an agreement and leave the state out of it. Frankly guys, I really couldn’t give a damn what you, or the state, things of the nature and structure of my personal relationships. The state has a responsibility towards children, but that exists whether parents are married or not. Best way of ensuring equality in this case is to leave the state out of it, people’s affairs are their own affairs.

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    May 18th 2013, 12:49 PM

    State authorised taxation, inheritance and other legal benefits.

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    May 18th 2013, 12:58 PM

    Why should I pay less tax or get different benefits because of who I sleep or cohabit with?

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    May 18th 2013, 1:08 PM

    Actually that’s an interesting comment. You are anti discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, but pro discrimination on the basis of marriage status. Explain?

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    May 18th 2013, 1:41 PM

    My point is the state provides these benefits to married couples and that is part of the equality homeosexuals are fighting for.

    The issue as to whether these benefits are discriminatory against non-married couples is a different argument altogether.

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    May 18th 2013, 8:34 PM

    Not at all, just a continuity of the argument. The case you make for equality is to allow a group inside the tent of discrimination, not to abolish it. If you feel that discrimination is OK in this respect then why do you criticize those who don’t agree with marriage for all. Last week I met a pair of sisters who had lived together and even shared a bed for 80 years. Why should married couples have more rights than them.

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    May 18th 2013, 1:47 PM

    I’d say you do a lot of wanking call card.

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    May 18th 2013, 2:38 PM

    I’m glad you think about me wanking

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    May 18th 2013, 3:38 PM

    Ha ha, that’s funny

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    May 18th 2013, 1:43 PM

    By your logic (i.e. no supporting evidence) I can claim your attitude is a mental illness and not one we should support in any way.

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    May 18th 2013, 2:09 PM

    I’m guessing my comments were deleted so the journal could make this look like a one sided argument in which everybody loves gay marriage and there’s nothing wrong with it at all.

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    May 18th 2013, 2:17 PM

    You said homosexuality was a mental illness which it is not. You could not back up your opinion with facts. You did a disservice to anyone who has a genuine mental illness and you basically declared all gay people as having a mental illness with no basis….. Bit of a muppet are we?

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    May 18th 2013, 2:20 PM

    They were probably deleted because you claimed that homosexuality is a mental illness. That is incredibly offensive not only to homosexuals but also to intelligent people everywhere.

    Had you supported this claim with evidence then perhaps we could debate it but your only support is your own bigoted and non-sensical attitude.

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    May 18th 2013, 2:27 PM

    People supporting gay marriage is offensive to plenty of people in all different situations why not ask Catholics and Muslims their opinion on how offensive it is.

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    May 18th 2013, 2:37 PM

    I dont want to get married in a catholic church or mosque, and quite frankly they offend me on a daily basis so what should i care about what they think?

    I don’t stop them from living their lives the way they wish.

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    May 18th 2013, 3:13 PM

    Your comments were deleted because you’re being ignorant.

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    May 18th 2013, 3:16 PM

    O and I’m catholic and I’m not offended by same sex marriage. Treat others how you yourself would like to be treated. Don’t tar everyone with your hatred covered brush.

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    May 18th 2013, 3:29 PM

    You’ve come late to this argument trisha I’m guessing you didn’t read my comments

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    May 18th 2013, 3:42 PM

    Still no sources,but still talking nonsense Callcard LOL :-)

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    May 18th 2013, 3:49 PM

    Why not let 2 people decide their future without state catholics or Muslims interfering in their business.

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    May 18th 2013, 3:52 PM

    I didn’t realize there was a time limit excuse me. I’ve read what comments are left and I disagree.

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    May 18th 2013, 3:58 PM
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    May 18th 2013, 2:51 PM

    Who are you to tell us what we are all here for?

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    May 18th 2013, 2:37 PM

    Another comment deleted , democracy and free speech at its best . If I was to write something offensive about the Catholic Church no doubt it would be left up for everybody to see not offending anybody because everybody would share that view

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    May 18th 2013, 2:48 PM

    You don’t understand that what you are saying about mental illness is unfounded nonsense, your comments are being deleted because of this. Everyone is entitled to hold an opinion,but if your opinion is based on mistruth and offensive to many people, then of course your comments would have to be deleted.

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    May 18th 2013, 2:58 PM

    Every comment on this is offensive to many people because not everybody shares the same views so why not delete them all instead of just the ones against gay marriage ?

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    May 18th 2013, 3:41 PM

    Presumably comments that incite hate, are homophobic, transphobic etc. are considered beyond the pale.. which of course they should be in any civil discussion.

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    May 18th 2013, 4:07 PM

    The catholic church is not a person, gay people are, silly parallel Callcard

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    May 18th 2013, 4:13 PM

    It’s based on a person and that persons teachings, one of which is homosexuality is wrong

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    May 18th 2013, 4:24 PM

    The teachings of ignorant goat herders who lived in the Middle East, 2,000 years ago. Oh, we can learn so much from them. How come we don’t ask any of the untouched tribes in the Amazon for guidance, information, morals etc .? I still don’t understand why Irish people want to take their morals from the Middle Eastern wanderers. What’s the connection? Oh yeah, the Romans. And people think the Roman Empire fell. It just changed tactics, clever Romans.

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    May 18th 2013, 4:36 PM

    The Bible forbids wearing cloth made out of a mix of wool and linen, but other combinations are fine. And don’t eat any shellfish, or get a tattoo. Lest ye be smitten.

    “Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee.” — Leviticus 19:19

    “But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you.” Leviticus 11:10

    Leviticus 19:28 reads, “You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord.”

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    May 18th 2013, 4:42 PM

    I don’t have any tattoos and I hate seafood as for the mixed cloth I only wear the finest purest wools. Enjoy hell

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    May 18th 2013, 5:10 PM

    Let them get married. It’s only a temporary measure anyway. In a couple of hundred years, gay people will no longer exist, except in whatever constitutes a third world country at that stage of the future and don’t have the medical capabilities.

    Gay people are born, they don’t turn gay. It’s in their genes, it’s in all of our genes but only a small percentage have it “turned on”. With the advancement of gene therapy, scientists will eventually find it, same as with genes that may cause cancers etc and be able to “turn them off” while a child is in the womb. No side effects, no dangers, just a healthy baby being born. Of course it’ll come down to the parents to decide whether to allow the procedure, and there’s where the hypocrites come in.

    They’re all for gay marriage but give them a choice and 9 times out of 10,(not any fact, just a guesstimate) they’d choose to not have a gay child. They’ll give the usual spiel, so long as it’s happy and healthy blah blah blah, but most of you know exactly what you’d choose.

    But we’ll all long be dead before that happens, so let them get married and have families. It’s the final kindness we can give them.

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    May 18th 2013, 5:41 PM

    We don’t need that patronising kind of support, the fact that you’d have your child “cured” of their homosexuality show how you really feel about gay people, that you think we are your inferiors.
    What you describe is nothing more then genocide carried out by doctors.
    And there is no such thing as the gay gene, such a gene by its nature would not be inclined towards its own propagation, most scientists now believe that sexuality is controlled by a set of enviromental, genetic, and epigenetic factors.

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    May 18th 2013, 6:36 PM

    The bible says cut off your hand if it causes you to sin because it is better to go to heaven with one hand than to go to hell with your full body

    I suppose you would tell gay men to chop off their willies because they cause them to sin!

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    May 18th 2013, 7:49 PM

    Why would you want to stop gay people from existing?! Why is it your business who someone chooses to have sex with? The anti-gay parade sure do spend a lot of time thinking about gay sex!

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    May 18th 2013, 7:49 PM

    And why would parents prefare that their children where not born gay, out of concern that they would be the victims of discrimination or because they believe that gays are inferior? If its the first then they are committing genocide out of misplaced compassion that aids the people they are trying to protect their children from, if its the later then they are plain supremacists. Either way an ethics committee would be load to allow such a “treatment”.
    The odd thing about your argument is that it assumes that despite hundreds of years of technological develoupment, society would not have advanced at all, for all you know, in the future being gay could be as notable a veration as having black skin.
    I wonder if this is your way of saying you’d rather have a world without gay people?

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    May 18th 2013, 8:25 PM

    The whole ‘kids with gay parents will be bullied’ argument reminds me of the concept of rape prevention: tell women not to wear certain clothes, but don’t bother to tell men not to rape!

    Anyway, no one is born hating gay people, they’re influenced by their parents.

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    May 18th 2013, 8:31 PM

    Laura is correct. Some bigots are obsessed with gay men. What’s the deal?

    Anyway, onto someone’s crazy point about ridding the human race of ‘de gheys’. Alan Turing was gay and he’s the reason we are able to use computers/ internet.
    http://www.hdwallpaperspot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Alan-Turing7.jpg

    Religious homophobes have a closet or two to come out of. Don’t rush them, their minds are fragile. Bless.

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    May 18th 2013, 8:46 PM

    Couldn’t tell you lad. Just an observation from things I read and conversations I’d have with friends and people in work. Majority of the opinions given were that they wouldn’t be happy if their kids were gay, they’d probably come to accept it eventually, they just would prefer them to be normal and straight. These are just your average everyday people’s opinions, wouldn’t be religious or hatemongers with an agenda, just normal people.

    I’ve no strong feelings either way. No gay people or issue effect me in any way, shape or form, I’m completely apathetic about the situation. As I said it’s just an observation.

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    May 19th 2013, 4:31 AM

    shpudz2@gmail.com- back up your statistic of 9 out of 10 where does that come from? I’m straight and I wouldn’t give a flying sh!te if my child was gay. Who are you to speak for ‘most’ people, have you done a survey or something? I sure as hell feel sorry for any child born to you who turned out to be gay.

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    May 19th 2013, 4:42 AM

    @Kevin Smyth- good one, poor man was hounded so much for being gay he ended up killing himself. Would be funny if all the bigots stopped using computers cos the father of computer science was a ‘quare’ .

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    May 18th 2013, 7:47 PM

    No one is ‘homophobic,’ they aren’t scared of gay people, they’re just ignorant bigots who don’t believe we should all have the same rights. Love is love, regardless of the sex of your partner. People need to grow up and stop discriminating.

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    May 18th 2013, 3:19 PM

    The sky is falling! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

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    May 18th 2013, 5:40 PM

    Good to see liberty is winning again. This move can only be good news.

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    May 18th 2013, 1:25 PM

    The best man looks a bit browned of, must be a teetotalers do.

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    May 18th 2013, 5:19 PM

    May God have mercy on them all…

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    May 18th 2013, 6:37 PM

    May God have mercy on your bigoted views!

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    May 18th 2013, 8:16 PM

    yer one with the kamakhazi headband looks like she’s up the pole, is that a shotgun wedding?

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    May 19th 2013, 4:07 PM

    stupid knobend

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