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THE BRITISH SOLDIER who was killed in a machete attack on the streets of South London yesterday has been named as Lee Rigby of the 2nd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers.
Rigby, aged 25, was from Manchester and leaves behind a two-year-old son. In a statement from The Ministry of Defence, Rigby is described as an “extremely popular and witty soldier”.
Drummer Rigby was a larger than life personality within the Corps of Drums and was well known, liked and respected across the Second Fusiliers. He was a passionate and lifelong Manchester United fan.
Rigby joined the army in 2006 and had served in Afghanistan. However, his first military posting was as a machine gunner in Cyprus where the battalion was serving as the resident infantry battalion in Dhekelia.
He returned to the UK in 2008 and was placed on duty outside the royal palaces as part of the battalion’s public duties commitment.
In 2009, he was sent to the Helmand province, Afghanistan, where he served as a member of the Fire Support Group at Patrol Base Woqab. On returning to the UK he completed a second tour of public duties and then moved with the battalion to Celle, Germany.
Rigby took up a recruiting post in London in 2011, where he also assisted with duties at the regimental headquarters in the Tower of London.
The statement from the Ministry of Defence states that Rigby was “an integral member of the Corps of Drums throughout the battalion’s time on public duties”.
The victim’s name was announced by the Ministry of Defence pending formal police identification.
Speaking outside 10 Downing Street today, Prime Minister David Cameron said the images from the attack in the newspapers and on the television were “deeply shocking”.
He added that these types of attacks would not be tolerated, stating:
The people who did this were trying to divide us. They should know something like this will only bring us together.
“We have lost a brave soldier,” said Cameron, adding that his thoughts were with the victim and his family.
He said a police investigation was underway, so there was a limit to what he could say. He said “this country will be resolute in its stand against violent extremism and terrorism. We will never give into terror or terrorism in any of its forms”.
The attackers, who are now in custody, used knives and a meat cleaver to attack Rigby. They carried out the attack a few hundred metres from the Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich, southeast London, then delivered an Islamist tirade to passers-by. The two men were shot by police at the scene and remain under arrest in hospital – one in a serious condition.
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May he rest in peace and prayers for his 2 year old son who has a lifetime to wonder why someone would commit
My sympathy to his son and family. It was a gruesome death. It’s not difficult at all to understand why they did it though as one of them explained clearly on video. It’s because the felt western military interference in muslim countries was causing death. This was retaliation. What isn’t clear is if it was more religious or politically motivated.
They were screaming “Allah Akbar”…what on earth do you call that? There is a huge sectarian problem in Nigeria as well. Nigerian Christians are constantly massacred by Islamist groups from Northern Nigeria.
British soldiers don’t kill Muslims, Muslims kill Muslims. It’s time ordinary Muslims stood up to the fanatics in their societies and said no more.
British soldiers donât kill Muslims
No evidence they shouted Allahu Akbar and witnesses said they didn’t, but they did in fact quote the bible with their an eye for an eye rant.
@kevin.n Why target a soldier if it was religion that motivated them? Why not a religious target?
The old testament is the holy text of all 3 major monotheistic religions, the Christians added the new testament and the Muslims the quran and hadith.
“No evidence they shouted Allahu Akbar and witnesses said they didn’t, but they did in fact quote the bible with their an eye for an eye rant.”
Tony – @Actually I didn’t just make up they shouted “Allah Akbar”. Witnesses said they did as reported by the BBC. Are you seriously unaware of the problems in Nigeria with Islamists?
the truth hurts – @You cant be honestly serious? A number of Islamists groups have protested British Military Parades in Britain. One of the groups is called “Muslims against Crusades”. Why do you assume Islamists would attack specifically a religious target when their mentality is infidel vs. Muslim? Muslim Street Patrols? Ring a bell. They were harassing women, gays, and people drinking alcohol.
Kevin — You’re a spanner. The murderer specifically says on camera that he’ll fight until Britain withdraws its troops from what he terms ‘out land’. Sounds like a political ultimatum.
@Petr – I know he said that. He was recorded for about 30 seconds.
Petr, your making excuses for a inexcusable action. Your the same as b Lowe. Take a hike.
Declan — You’re confusing explaining with excusing. They’re two very different things.
Petr,
Inexcusable
Adjective
Too bad to be justified or tolerated:
Synonyms
unforgivable – unpardonable – inexpiable – indefensible
I know yeah. I believe this murder was utterly inexcusable. That doesn’t stop me from looking at the broad context from an explanation of why such inexcusable things occur.
If you don’t understand this, I can’t help you any further.
123,000 innocent civilians killed in Afghanistan every single death inexcusable not to mention irac Ireland … Then everybody is astonished when trouble comes to England might wana have a good look at their foreign policy’s
Petr, when one starts to explain a act like this they start to excuse it.
I don’t need someone like you telling me what happened.
See the red thumbs you are generating once again.
This was a religiously motivated attack Petr. He said ‘our lands’ referring to Muslim lands. Because this man converted to Islam and now says ‘our lands’, meaning Muslim lands, it is a religious attack. Make no mistake about it, this attack is sanctioned in the Qu’ran. People can dress it up as they like but this is down to the brutal teachings of Islam. Muslims aren’t the problem, Islam is.
Radiicalism lads
Yep completely agree, it is rife with violent imagery. Anyone who disagrees probably (defo) haven’t read it.
when one starts to explain a act like this they start to excuse it.
They are not from northern nigeria I can guarantee that they are from the south the dude had a Christian name the men were born and raised in England never been to nigeria…
& the bible isn’t? come on now think about it.
The word Jihad means struggle and is open to interpretation, 99.9% of Muslims take it as being the struggle between the way of Allah and the temptations that get in the way, of course it also has been interpreted as a struggle of a Holy war for centuries but its never been so prevalent as CIA and aided by the mainstream news outlets. BOLLOX TO YOUR BLIND BIGOTRY.
*prevalent as it is now being funded by the malignant CIA*
Well said, Golden. Some awful ignorant bigotry being spewed here.
It is obvious that someone from Nigeria would be awfully concerned about the war in Afghanistan.
Petr, you took offence to what I said but now your embracing what golden arms has to say, he is blaming this in the CIA. A contradiction and distortion of the truth.
I would say that this is a crazed individual. Simple as that.
Petr, your making excuses for a barbaric act.
Gary,
123,000 civilians have not been killed in Afghanistan since 2001, nowhere near it. It’s less than 30,000 according to the HRW, UN, and other official sources, the vast majority of which occur at the hands of the Taliban. http://costsofwar.org/article/afghan-civilians
Before NATO arrived the numbers of civilians killed every year were far, far higher. Afghanistan is a far more passive place now than it was before 2001. Besides the overwhelming majority of Agfhans (82%) were glad to see the Taliban deposed by NATO. http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brasiapacificra/155.php?lb=bras&pnt=155
It’s religious fundamentalists like the Taliban, AQ and these two that are most to blame for the suffering of Muslims.
There must be some kind of personality disorder that describes Petr and Golden Arms and all the other self-loathing lefties. Something to do with loathing everything about your own culture yet happily enjoying the benefits it bestows on them. There’s enough of them and their opinions are so predictable that somebody must have looked into putting a name on it. It’s actually pathetic, you can predict their response to practically everything because they can’t form their own opinions.
The New Testament? Was Jesus a war lord like Muhammad? Ate you being deliberately deceitful.
I’m not religious by the way but the differences are stark.
“They are not from northern nigeria I can guarantee that they are from the south the dude had a Christian name the men were born and raised in England never been to nigeria…”
Tai are you Nigerian? On the other article you were very defensive of Nigerian Muslims. Yes most Christians scream “Allah Akbar” and then behead people. They are obviously Muslim or to be more specific Islamists since they are fundamentalists. How these murderer’s became Muslims? I don’t know or care. Someone mentioned in another comment that the murderer was a convert to Islam. We have radical Irish Muslims as well like Khalid Kelly and Liam Egan both are converts obviously and their surnames are not Middle Eastern or Muslim. Totally irrelevant.
The guy implied they might have been Christians because of the reference to an eye for an eye (which is from the old testament) I pointed out that, even though at least one of them was raised in a Christian home but converted to Islam later, quoting from the old testament does not imply Christianity. The new testament is all loving and forgiving (apparently parenthood encourages gods to chill out) but the old one full of rage and vengeance and it forms the basis of all 3 religions (it’s still the god of Moses and Abraham, whatever your take on it). I’m an atheist btw so my own take on it is so long as you’re not hurting anyone, of with ya.
Loathing my own culture? lol do me a favour, where did ye get that from? Is it because i’m speaking out against bigotry, fear and misunderstanding of Islam?
Belly Up couldn’t be a more appropriate name for someone with a mind like yours.
It is you who have misunderstood Islam mate. Go read a book.
Oh please tell me how ive misunderstood islam :D
When you say “misunderstood Islam” it sounds like your inferring it has some kind of legitimate cause/qualities to be respected and understood. Love people who go like this “Christianity is evil and religion is man-made and brainwashes people” but yet they go on like this “Islam is really a peaceful religion, the media is brainwashing you and the word Islam means “peace”……Yeah let’s just ignore all those verses in the Koran, forced conversions, invasions, and the life of Mohammed. Religion is evil but were going to exclude the most violent one when criticizing religion and blame those evil infidels.
Bit funny a guy who throws out anti Islamic diatribe from a pro israeli nutter getting sarcastic about invasions but lets not go there its deflects the discussion.
Of course I have my own views im not a religious person but i do respect everyones right to their own beliefs whether its Islam, Christianity, Judaism or any other I just cannot stand the bigoted shite being thrown out here and there, and whether you like it or not it is a product of the western media, and Jihadism has been fostered by the CIA.
How did they identify him as a soldier?It was a random attack on a man wearing a t-shirt.
The two murderers,which is all they are,are delusional and filled with hatred.Their claims of Islamic vengence is nothing more than an advert to lure more brainwashed puppets into carrying out similar atrocities.
@Golden
The CIA and western media are not responsible for everything that happens in this world, not least extreme islamism.
One of the murderers said;- ” there are many aya in the koran, calling for the death of the non-muslim ” , – he made no mention of the Bible.
It’s true! The official story states they said those words, not witnesses
I’ve already told you to go read a book Golden Arms. I suggest starting with the Qu’ran and reading a few hadiths to begin with – here, I got a few for you to read. Don’t forget the hadith are the actions attributed to Mohammed while he lived and Muslims are supposed to emulate him in everything they do.
Bukhari: Volume 4 Number 261
‘Eight men of the tribe of ‘Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Provide us with some milk.’ Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I recommend that you should join the herd of camels.’ So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and whey were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died.’
Sahih Bukhary 9/57
Mohammed said,”Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.”
I know Matt, but the war on terror has been manufactured by the US, a country that needs perpetual war, and has only had 15 or so years peacetime in the last hundred years. You don’t need me to tell you the power the military industrial complex and the likes has over Washington.
Do you believe people should be tortured and have their hands and feet cut off? Do you think that people who leave Islam should be killed? If you don’t believe them then do you think that any ideology or religion espousing these views cannot be described as a ‘religion of peace’. I’ll get some more hadiths if you want but you can look them up yourself.
he’s on video saying it
Hadiths? Please your asking me to believe scholastic interpretations of the Quran, may as well ask if I believe the Bishop John Does views on abortion or contraception, Said this before I don’t give much credence to religious books written thousands of years ago, people have changed with the times, unfortunately some haven’t.
re;@that sort of a fool are you???
That statement itself shows your ignorance of the teachings of Islam. The Qu’ran and the hadith are supposed to be used in the context they were written in and apply to modern times in the context they were written in. Their meanings do not change over time – if you don’t know this then I strongly suggest you actually read up about Islam because you clearly have no idea.
Further down the page I’ve pointed out why this is all relevant because Muslims around the world are generally supportive of many of the barbaric teachings in the Qu’ran. Seriously, you clearly haven’t a clue about it, why did you come on and talk about something you know nothing about????
Golden, most Muslims follow the Quran word for word and have not changed with the times, thus the barbaric slaughter we witness in many parts of the world. Look at the slaughter of medics in Pakistan on health campaigns, the pogroms against Christians in Egypt, Libya, Sudan, Nigeria etc etc. All done, rightly or wrongly, under the guidance of the Quran. Whether you give this book much credence is not the issue, its the harm inflicted under its name.
How these two men could even try to justify what they did is beyond me. Terrible to hear he has also left a son behind. May he rest in peace.
Of course they’re gonna try to justify doing it! Why did they do it then?!!!
RIP young man
God Bless him. Still can’t imagine someone doing that to a person. Horrifying.
And the lives he might have saved
I think you might misunderstand the purpose of a military deployment.
A bit like yourself misunderstanding compassion?
Highlighting the man’s involvement in violence as a member of the military is not mutually exclusive to having compassion.
How long will we hear people speaking
About missiles for peace
And just let it go by
How long will they tell us these weapons
Are keeping us free
It’s a lie
– Jackson Browne.
One of Eamonn Dunne’s comments has been deleted. This is totally wrong. British soldiers have killed many tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is not a crime to state this.
No it’s not a crime to state it but it’s false to state it.
The number of civilians killed by Pro-government forces in 2012 was 316, the number killed by the Taliban was 2,179. Given that British soldiers represent only a small fraction of Afghan and other NATO forces, we’re talking in dozens, at most, not hundreds, let thousands as you imply. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/aug/10/afghanistan-civilian-casualties-statistics
You can try as you want, even including Iraq, but the facts won’t hold up your assertion. Facts are not there for your convenience.
Petr, tens or hundreds of thousands?
Really, before you would have said that the Americans are responsible for all these deaths. Now your saying that the British army is behind all these deaths. Which is it?
2012?
Come back to me with the figure from 2001 to the present and we’ll talk. But even letting you off the hook for conveniently quoting only last years figure, the British armed forces have killed a lot more innocents than any terrorists have. Thus, acts of revenge like this are hardly shocking. Wrong? Yes. Unexpected? No.
And the so-called facts are construed by the perceived victors of the global war on secularism and spun further by vested progagandists and benefactors in the global war trade! Next lot, Syria, start the bidding ….one man’s terrorist can so conveniently be another man’s Syrian liberator when the time and price is right!
Exactly Sarc, these two savages that killed that soldier are akin to the many thousands in the FSA that Cameron and Hague have been aggressively pushing to be armed to the teeth, yet he has the balls to call these two terrorists because its suits his agenda, i’m shocked so many people by his shite.
Check facts about the amount of deaths and who controlled the areas were the worst civilian deaths happened. research a bit before spouting such BS.
RIP. Tragic story.
All the more horrific and tragic given that he leaves behind a young son. RIP
May god help his family, beautiful young man, may u rest in peace
Poor guy what a horrible way to die.He knew by being in the army he had a chance of being injured or shot but never in his worst nightmares did he think he would be beheaded by savages at home. Rip
So young. Rest in peace.
What’s the world coming too, How can any human being do this to another human being, Rest on peace Young Soldier and may these monsters burn in the flames of Hell for eternity,
“Islamophobia” – By: Mark Humphrys (He makes great points)
Many people in the west (see Sharia law in the West) are trying to make it illegal to criticise Islam or Islamism. Briefly, criticising people’s genes is wrong. You can’t change your genes. You can’t help being born white, black, Arab, or whatever. But criticising people’s memes is ok – indeed it is what free speech is all about. You can change your memes. Being born an Arab Muslim doesn’t mean you can’t adopt western values, be tolerant of gays, Jews and atheists, even abandon Islam altogether. Criticism of people’s religion can be difficult. How does one tell the difference between logical criticism and simple hatred and bigotry? For example, how does one tell the difference between criticism of the supernatural meme of Judaism and simple anti-semitism? The trick, I think, is that criticism should be optimistic and positive. It should be done with respect for the well-being of the people involved, and hope that they change to better memes. Instead of saying: “Followers of meme X are evil and we should fear them” it is far better to say that: “Followers of meme X should abandon it and adopt better memes”. It should always be done with an open respect for freedom of religion – namely, the right of the person to ignore your criticism and carry on believing in their memes freely.
The absurd idea that we should “respect” other religions and cultures.
There is an extraordinary modern idea that we should “respect” other people’s beliefs. Often it is suggested that we should “respect” Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism or other religions, simply because they are old, or have lots of followers. This shows a basic lack of understanding of what a free society is. A free society is one in which you have the right to believe nonsense, and I have the right to call it nonsense. You don’t have to “respect” my stupid beliefs. And I don’t have to “respect” yours. But we both must agree to leave the other alone to believe what they want in peace. So many so-called “liberals” fail to understand this basic building block of a western liberal society.
Spew your second-hand hatred somewhere else, Kevin, you vile individual.
“Muslims are the new Jews”
Some anti-counterjihad people like the above say that hostility to Islam and Islamism is like the old anti-semitism, that “Muslims are the new Jews” who now need to fear persecution and extermination.
There are however some differences with pre-1939 anti-semitism:
1. Jews in the early 20th century were not carrying out terrorist attacks on the western democracies.
If they were, then hostility to Judaism would have been quite justified.
2. Jews in the early 20th century were not threatening to end human rights in the western democracies and impose an oppressive Jewish religious law.
If they were, then hostility to Judaism would have been quite justified.
3. Jews in the early 20th century were not running countries where religious minorities were persecuted and oppressed under Jewish religious law.
If they were, then hostility to Judaism would have been quite justified.
4. Jews in the early 20th century were not engaged in constant warfare and terror attacks throughout the world.
If they were, then hostility to Judaism would have been quite justified.
5. Jews in the early 20th century were not threatening to conquer the world under their religion.
If they were, then hostility to Judaism would have been quite justified.
So not much of an analogy there, then.
Hostility to Judaism looks creepy not because Judaism makes sense (it makes no sense at all) but because it is so harmless. If Judaism was violent and oppressed people, I would certainly be a lot more hostile to it.
Canadian Islamist Syed Soharwardy, Dec 2011, says Muslims are the new Jews. ◦”Muslims are going through that situation right now that the Jews faced before the Holocaust. That was going on in Germany before the Holocaust, same thing is happening now about Muslims.” Said the sharia-promoting creep.
◦ Robert Spencer replies, noting the similarities: “Remember all those Jewish terror plots? Jews shouting “Shema Yisrael” as they blew themselves up in crowds of non-Jews and flew planes into buildings? Remember those captured internal documents of Jewish organizations saying they were working toward “eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within” so that “the religion of Moses was victorious over other religions”?”
◦Christopher Hitchens made the same point: “Yes, we all recall the Jewish suicide bombers of that period, as we recall the Jewish yells for holy war, the Jewish demands for the veiling of women and the stoning of homosexuals, and the Jewish burning of newspapers that published cartoons they did not like.”
“Fear of Islam is like fear of Catholics”
• Robert Spencer fisks an absurd article by Nicholas D. Kristof, Sept 2010, claiming that fear of Islam is like 19th century fear of Catholics. ◦ Spencer: “Yes, yes, of course. You may recall from the histories of those days that Catholics newly arrived in the U.S. in the 19th century loudly proclaimed that they were there to take over, and numerous Catholics engaged in terror plotting, as well as in non-violent attempts to assert the primacy of Catholic canon law over American law. You remember the Fort Hood Catholic shooting, the Arkansas recruiting center Catholic shooting, the Christmas underwear bomb Catholic Crusade attempt, the Times Square Catholic car bomb attempt, … and on and on. No wonder non-Catholics were suspicious, and in all good faith wanted Catholics to show that they rejected the wellsprings of all this violence and supremacism.”
◦ Kristof: “Perhaps the closest parallel to today’s hysteria about Islam is the 19th-century fear spread by the Know Nothing movement about “the Catholic menace.” One book warned that Catholicism was “the primary source” of all of America’s misfortunes, and there were whispering campaigns that presidents including Martin Van Buren and William McKinley were secretly working with the pope. Does that sound familiar?”
◦ Spencer: “No.”
◦Interesting comment: “Catholics in the 19th century were not blowing up buildings, nor was the Vatican vowing to overthrow the US government and replace it with a papal-led theocracy. … The group that came closest to this was the anarchists, who really did launch bombings, assassinated President William McKinley in 1901, and advocated for the overthrow of government.”
◦ But saying “Fear of Islam is like 19th-20th century fear of violent anarchist bombers” just doesn’t sound as good.
Coming from a person who said before…”Liberal Democracy disgust me” – Petr Tarasov
Christ man you had to bring up the Jewish cause and use copy and paste to spread the propaganda
Bloody hell, you need to use appendices for your comments. Once again, London stands united…just like it did in 2005.
The Jewish cause? What? It’s an example of the absurd accusation that the problem is “Islamaphobia” or that the problem is the rest of the world. Did you not see the Catholic example? Is that me promoting the Catholic cause? I’m Atheist.
interesting article from the American Muslim Council:
You simply cannot ‘damn all Muslims’. It is a huge and very diverse culture. But please, for Christ’s sake, damn the Wahhabi inspired and Saudi financed violent extremists.
The world would be a far better place without the regressive influence of Bronze Age mysticism, but it is here and we cannot wish it away. We have to face up to these people, jail and maybe rehabilitate the violent nutters – be they fanatical Muslims or fanatical Christians – and engage in real dialogue with those who derive nourishment and balance from their engagement in religious ritual.
@Ann – That’s good that London stays united. All Muslims (which I assume is the majority of British Muslims) who condemn these attacks should be praised and it should be given as much coverage or even more then what the radicals usually get unfortunately.
@John – The main people behind the promotion of Jihad, Radical Mosques, etc. are the Saudis along with the UAE, Qatar, etc. They provide all the funding and are radicalizing Muslim youth in Europe. The rioting in Sweden just finished a day ago after three consecutive nights of terror.
@Kevin.N – I’ll agree with you there. There is definitely something wrong with people with people who can’t tell the difference between the nutty Islamist extremists and the ordinary Muslim faith who are allowed practice their religion. As an Irish person in London, I know of the way we were treated only 30-40 years ago in this city…
@Ann – My mother (Irish) use to work in London, so I’m very aware of how many Irish people were treated. No one from any group should be treated like that but I don’t think the anti-Irish sentiment is similar to the anti-Muslim sentiment. Most Muslims in the West are peaceful, moderate, etc. but a large minority is not. Most Muslims in the Middle East are not “moderate” as many like to make out. They aren’t extreme to the point of blowing themselves up screaming “Allah Akbar” but still pretty radical compared our Christian radicals. My father is Pakistani (Punjabi/Pashtun) and I base all my opinions off of everything I know personally about the people, religion, culture, etc. This whole Jihad concept is in Islam (the Koran) but it wasn’t nearly as popular back then as it is today, I know. My thing is if you hate Britain or the West so much, don’t go living in Britain or a Western country.
Most are living in the West for economic reasons but there is an aspect of colonisation within Islam. There are two houses in Islam. Islam is a religion of peace only insofar as the house of peace (Muslim territory) is meant to be free of war and violence. Non-Muslim territory can be viewed as “the house of war”, which is eventually to be added to the house of peace, peace can be achieved through submission -the meaning of the word Islam is submission (to the rule of their take on god). There are Islamic scholars who argue that countries where Islam is tolerated operate under a protection contact as long as Muslims are safe and free to practise their faith. Whether they’re playing a long game of colonisation is an open question.
Aye Kevin your right, and we all know who the Saudi, UAE and Qatari ‘governments’ are in bed with.
They aren’t faithful partners though. It’s a love/hate relationship.
I agree with the point that people just label criticism of Islam as Islamophobia but Mark Humphrys is a nutter, you should never use him to back up your argument.
Humphrys is a whack job alright.
25 years old, same age as myself. What a senseless and barbaric murder of a young father. Just a shame that the usual crowd are on here using it as an excuse to try and score political points. Can’t you give it one day? RIP young man.
Please make this about the victim, not the people who did it.
Those 2 sub human monsters should be handed over to the UK military for well deserved justice. ….multiculturalism is not always the best way forward
Well Britain is several hundred years too late to not want multiculturism, it’s the height of hypocrisy to colonise half the world and then refuse entry to citizens of the lands which they colonised.
RIP to the deceased, and my thoughts go out to his 2 year old son and family, what a horrific crime. But Cameron and co. juicing this up as a terror attack is equally as disgusting.
Muslims, “bear no more responsibility for jihadism than Christians do for the Ku Klux Klan or the Westboro Baptist Church.” – George Eaton
Ridiculous. Jihad is an official part of Islam. Kkk is not in the bible.
Yes they do. It is up to the moderates in Western Islam to stand up to the jihadis. Saying Islam is a religion of peace is not good enough, they need to close down the mosques that preach hate, tell the police about people they think could cause trouble, attempt to get along with other faiths. It’s completely different to the likes of Westboro Baptists who are not tolerated by other Christians. People are afraid to point it out for fear of being called Islamaphobe, but they need to point it out because until they do the Islamic community will continue to bury it’s head in the sand and claim it’s nothing to do with them.
Im sorry but I think you two should read up a little bit more about Islam, clearly you haven’t got a great understanding about it..
Grafton Street its an official part of Islam? really?
Richard far as I know there aint been any Westboro Baptist Churches closed down, and I think you’ll find Muslims are easy to get along with they have no pre conceptions about Christians.
The only 1s you boys seen are prolly on Sky News waving AKs around screaming Allah u Akbar you really needa wake up
No sorry Golden Arms you clearly haven’t read about Islam. I have read the Qu’ran, I’ve read many hadiths and I’ve read a number of books from ex-muslims. It is a horrid religion and ideology.
GA, what’s the point in reading up on Islam? Like all religious books it’s 100% nonsense.
Ive read a little, not much of the Quran nor the Bible, its more Muslims views and their perceptions of their faith and others that im interested in.
If it’s Muslims views and their perceptions of their faith then look no further than the recent PEW research involving over 38,000 Muslims. http://www.examiner.com/article/study-muslims-favor-sharia-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam
I don’t think Muslims are inherently evil people, it is clearly their revolting religion that has misguided them, just like what happened in western society with Christianity hundreds of years ago.
A research project chaired by a former US Secretary of State, of Bill Clintons administration even!!! LOL come back with a credible research institute survey please thank you
I’ll leave you to wallow in your ignorance, you’ve already demonstrated your complete lack of knowledge on the issue so further arguing is pointless.
Aye good man take it easy bye now horn
I lived in Cornwall in England in the early 80s and a lot of people their looked on all Irish people as IRA bombers. I remember once leaving my bag when I went to the bathroom in a British is bar in France and getting smart comments like don’t do that again Paddy.
Comparing the anti-Irish sentiment in Britain with the sentiment around Islamic terror is ridiculous. The sentiment about the Irish is domestic the sentiment about Islamic terror is everywhere. The Provos ideology was simply political (it wasn’t racist or religious) and they weren’t calling for the destruction of Britain or claiming they wanted to enforce some kind of fanatical religious law on the British people. All they wanted was a United Ireland and that’s it – Britain out of Ireland. Ulster Loyalism on the other hand is racist and ultra-religious. “The Romanists control the media” – Ian Paisley, “For God and Ulster” – UVF, and even people like DUP politician Sammy Wilson along with others supporting statements which promoted ethnic cleansing of Catholics in the 6 counties.
I’m just saying not all Irish supported the bombing.
I have family who ran a pub in London during the IRA bombing campaign,the abuse they got was terrible from verbal to physical abuse.the pub was constantly raided by police and any time they returned to England by boat after been on holidays here my aunt and uncle were stripped searched every time even there young kids were searched.
Kevin be careful what you say, David Thompson the Derry City Unionist/Loyalist is watching above us and like all Unionists/Loyalists they don’t like the truth; shhhhh, I hear him growling, I’m out of hear!
It was stupid to leave a bag unattended. It was even more stupid not to expect people to notice it. It is the height of nonsense to actually complain about somebody making a remark about leaving a bag unattended.
So kevin what were atrocities such as Kingsmills and Tullyvallen, certainly sectarian massacres carried out by the IRA.
What about the monaghan and Dublin bombings were they sectarian
Ben is still raging that he had to holiday in Kinsale as thats all yhe far the old finances would stretch, half an hour down the road to lay full for the weekend. Lavish lifestyle alright.
Everyone left their bag unattended when they went to the bathroom, they only made a comment if an Irish person did. The French didn’t have a problem with it.
“So kevin what were atrocities such as Kingsmills and Tullyvallen, certainly sectarian massacres carried out by the IRA.”
@David – Yes they were and they were isolated incidents where as the UVF/Loyalists went out of their way to do this on a consecutive basis.
• 52 percent of killings by British security forces were of civilians. This is a very poor “collateral damage” rate by the British forces.
• 35 percent of killings by Republican terrorists were of civilians. This is actually a better rate than the British forces, and shows that the IRA, much as I oppose their violence, did have some belief in the rules of war.
• 85 percent of killings by Loyalist terrorists were of civilians. This shows that Loyalists did almost nothing but targeting civilians in war crimes.
http://markhumphrys.com/ni.unionists.html (For all those against copy and paste, get over it – I make it clear when I have copy and pasted material which I obviously agree with).
@Shane – Obviously the Dublin and Monaghan Bombings were sectarian.
Yes the bombings of Dublin and Monaghan could be described as sectarian, they were definitely indiscriminate. Im not denying loyalists were sectarian because its obvious they were, im simply highlighting republican sectarianism too.
They wernt isolated incidents. There were hundreds of sectarian killings by republicans. The balmoral furnishings bombing, coleraine bombing, la mon bombing, Enniskillen bombing, countless shootings of individuals.
David Thompson are you joking? Kinsale the Riviera of Ireland it’s brilliant and they have fiver (€5) Friday in Dinnos, freshly caught fish, chips, peas and tar tar sauce, O and a slice of lemon!
@David – The statistics speak for themselves. I never denied there were sectarian killings by Republicans but Irish Republicanism doesn’t promote ethnic/religious supremacy like Ulster Loyalism does. Sure there are bigots that will twist Irish Republicanism for their own personal biases/hatred like anyone does with many ideologies. The founders behind Irish Republicanism were Protestants. Wolf Tone?
The loyalist armed conflict (Not my words – Does this not sound about right?)
The loyalist paramilitaries did not serve the role of the IRA’s enemy in war. The British security forces filled that role, and fought according to the rules of war.
The loyalists did not fight according to the rules of war. They killed almost exclusively innocent civilians, and not by accident either. These were not errors. These were not “collateral damage” – they were the actual targets.
The loyalist paramilitaries were Protestant religious death squads – killing and torturing innocent, uninvolved civilians for religion. We were supposed to believe that both sides were doing this of course, but in retrospect that was unthinking politically-correct humbug, one of many such devices over the last 30 years to avoid thinking about the conflict. Anti-Catholicism has been just as real in Britain’s history as anti-semitism has been in Europe’s, and it could so easily have ended in the horrors of the camps (as have in fact been proposed by a number of loyalist thinkers).
The similarities of virulent fundamentalist anti-Catholicism and anti-semitism: The “Irish” problem, like the “Jewish” problem, was never a problem with the Irish. It was a problem with virulent fundamentalist anti-Catholicism, a problem that still exists in the unionist population today. Northern anti-Catholicism is the fundamental cause of 30 years of conflict.
I was waiting for the whataboutery…
David Thompson what about the massacre in your City of Derry eh, Bloody Sunday? What about the innocent children that had their skulls crushed with plastic/rubber bullets fired at point-blank-range by your sectarian bigoted Police and the Crown Forces! Do you blame Republicans for that too and don’t forget the numerous acts of violence and killings by British intelligence under the disguise of the Loyalists militias!, UVF, UFF, UDR/RIR Red Had Commandos
Stuck record…
The past is another country
Why were you in a British bar?
Ben hopefully next year you’ll be able to afford a proper holiday.
Kevin you dont need to convince me of loyalist activities, all im doing here is saying republicans acted in the exact same manner, neither can take the moral highground.
Kevin N, if your ever holidaying in sunny Kinsale Co. Cork look me up and I’ll pay for your fiver Friday in Dinnos take away. Proud to have an Irishman like you in my company any time. Your knowledge of what went on in your country is commendable, you put David Thompson in his place with the facts; as I stated previously these Loyalists detest facts, well done Kevin proud of ya! I feel a song coming on! “When Irish eyes are smiling, sure they must be holidaying in Kinsale, you can hear the people laughing……….. da, de, da, de, Da de.
Maybe next year things will pick up a bit and Ben will be able to afford a proper holiday.
totally correct David
The sad fact is that an Innocent soldier was brutally murdered going about his business. What kind of depraved person would continplate such an act. Let us today remember this young brave soldier has left a family and we remember them especially at this time
Savages – utter savages
Horrible ending to a young mans life. God bless his family and his son. RIP
All non-EU people coming to live in EU should be thoroughly screened and endure complex vetting process.
If they come in to live and work in Europe, they should adapt and use European culture, simple.
When in Rome do as Romans do. Nobody stops them for using own language and religion, but this gets out of hand and too aggressive now. European governments instead of wasting time and our money to debate if to legalize gay marriages or not, should look at real threats and problems.
Try to act in any Muslim country like many of them behave in public places in Europe.
You will be stoned, killed. Why is that? Europeans are threatened and they are stepping back. Political correctness and tagging everyone racist is blinding peoples clear vision they rather stay quiet as they are afraid to be labeled. Last wake up call!
Thats not true fizi ,Americans and Europeans get away with a lot. I know that for a fact. Google it ,you wojn’t see many results.
Why would anybody put thumbs down to this.
An inexcusable barbaric act. The religion of Peace again showing its true face.
It’s about time the West gets real with Muslims. Political correctness and a fear of upsetting Islam has prevented an appropriate response to the increasingly provocative actions of a minority, but a significant minority, of Muslims. It’s quite simple: if you don’t like western culture and Christianity don’t live in Western Europe! Muslim countries would not indulge this type of behaviour by Christians and the consequences for those Christians would most likely be fatal.
The Klan at their worst and the Westboro Baptist church are in the halfpenny place in comparison to Islamic extremism. Mr Eaton needs a better analogy.
The kkk once dragged a black man behind a pickup truck for a couple of miles at full speed, his head was found on the side of the road along with various body parts strewn along the rest of that stretch of road. It was as if he had been put through a cheese grater. Hardly the half penny place now is it.
Fuh Qiu
It is the halfpenny place compared to hijacking fuel laden passenger filled civilian aircraft to fly into skyscrapers full of workers, planting bombs on trains and detonating them in rush hour stations, blowing up buses in city streets theatre sieges holding and killing schoolchildren in Beslan/ nightclubs in Bali/Mumbai attacks. I haven’t even started to include the atrocities carried out in Islamic countries. So you can take the individual KKK incident horrific as it is in isolation and put it back in the halfpenny place where it belongs. You need to come up with some better examples, it obvious you do not know what you are talking about Fuh Qiu.
I’m not defending anyone but talking down the centuries of atrocities committed by the KKK sounds like you might be. Make your own list if it pleases you.
Fuh Qui
The KKK has not been around for centuries and it is your wrongful assumption that I was talking them down, show me the line in my post where I did. You read something into my post that was not there. The point I was making was in response to another post that drew a parallel between Islamic terrorism and the KKK & Westbro Baptist head cases.
My point still stands the KKK at their very worst do not even come close on the scale of atrocity to Islamic terrorism. Sorry you missed the point with your moral blinkers on.
You see the button under comments marked “reply”? Guess what that’s for fuqtard
Less of the anger and moral indignation now my friend. My post still stands on its own even though you failed to comprehend it and decided to tell me a “once upon a time story” about a poor black man that had nothing whatsoever to do with the story in question. Puts my reply button mishap in the halfpenny place. So we will reserve your fuqtard comment for yourself.
Your comment was in relation to the article, not a reply to a comment. The article is about a beheading, I provided an example of a similar incident from the group your comment claimed were small time. Your first reply was a list of atrocities and an aggressive ‘you don’t know what you’re talking about’. I know exactly what I’m talking about, but on its own, your comment was out of context.
Only later did you put your comment in context. The context of my example was clear unless you can’t spot the connection between a decapitation and another decapitation.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/21/justice/texas-dragging-death-execution once upon a time….
My comment was a general one about extremism and is quite specific, to quote “The Klan at their worst and the Westboro Baptist church are in the halfpenny place in comparison to Islamic extremism.” I do not mention the specific event or the extremists in question. It is quite clear that the context I am talking about here is extremism and comparison, Islamic vs Christian, not the specific event in question.
My comment is relevant on its own because the broad general subject is Islamic extremism, that you read it, and replied in a specific manner with the added “Hardly the half penny place now is it.” elicited my response in a similar manner for which I apologise. Thanks for the link, I do certainly remember the horrific event when it happened, and I do see its relevance but again I was not looking to compare specific atrocities or justify the KKK or any other extremist group in any way.
Sometimes it’s hard to read tone in text written on the fly on smartphones. I hadn’t intended any personal attack with my original ‘hardly’ comment, as it addressed the comment rather than the commenter, sorry if that’s not the way it came across. I took your comment to be related specifically to the incident in the article, but as we’ve explained ourselves now I get the feeling we broadly agree.
No matter what historic/political/religious reasonings these brutal murderers try and condone it is not acceptable. He stood in front of a camera with hands full of blood after beheading another human with no remorse or regret in the slightest. That is not ‘an eye for an eye’ or whatever he is claiming, that is inhuman and sickening. No excuses should be given for this gruesome murder.
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind
Regardless of this man’s profession no one deserves to be slaughtered like that
Depraved cowards. The sooner religion slinks back to it’s medieval cesspit, the better.
Maybe they targeted him as Britain had been the prolific invader of countries in history and the million they have killed along the way Iraq Afghanistan couple of modern examples
Similar comments to yours have already been deleted. Shhhhh… don’t dare provide context!
All while they are on the welfare system and living on British soil, how charming! If they don’t like Britain they should f off then to some country that fits their narrative. If were going by you’re logic then we all here (being Irish) could use the same reason as a defense if we were to become terrorists and target Britain. Actually the entire human race could use such disgusting/stupid defenses being that all countries have faced terrorism and atrocities done by other nations.
Kevin — How old were you when they dropped you on your head?
Well said Kevin, the terrorist supporting maggots will be singing their praises in the mosque tomorrow.
Just saying through history Britton has mainly being the aggressor in the name of queen and country to expand their empire and rule the world.. Usually at the expense of the native people
Petr, see you are justifying the murder of this soldier. Above you were saying R.I.P, now you are giving an excuse for his murder.
Now what did you call Niall above?
A vile person?! Well petr, you are a despicable individual who had no concern for your fellow man.
Petr, when you start calling people names you have lost the argument,
Petr, BUT what are you trying to explain? There is no justification for this attack!
It’s the actions of crazed individuals.
It’s warped! It’s sick! They are delusional!
But you are talking about putting it into some sort of context.
Me thinks you are delusional as well, along with golden arms and b Lowe.
Declan — There’s an old saying: know your enemy. If our response to everything is “they’re crazy” we never understand anything.
Petr, good for you. Now why don’t you give the British police a call and tell them this. I’m sure they will be fascinated by your insight.
Having grown up in Ireland and listened to the IRA justify their actions and now listening to what al Qaeda and other radicals have to say to justify their mindless actions I think I have a grasp as to what’s going on.
Now you say that your field is social science but you yourself have called for a revolution and your own comments are simplistic.
I think that you are a fraud.
Good night now as I have some tv to watch.
Petr, golden talks about people being brainwashed, well I bet that these guys have been brainwashed by some radical imam. Ironic really, don’t you think?
Are you going to withdraw your accusation that I support this gruesome murder?
You have also called me a fraud.
I have cited academic literature on terrorism. You’re merely chancing your arm. Who’s the fraud, Declan?
He’s a convert to Islam. The wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Mars, Pluto, Antarctica, etc. affect the murderer how?
Kevin Nazi — What war is there on Mars?
Back to making fun of my last name, I seeeee.
RIP
Good to see war time leader Cameron beating the drum in his statement “…..violent extremism and terrorism. We will never give into terror or terrorism in any of its forms”.
Whats this then David? http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/mohammed-saleem-stabbed-death-near-3567591
What a horrible death for that young man! horrific! RIP x x
It is pretty obvious to anyone who is in touch with London street life that the murder has more to do with whatever that urchin had in his pipe than the Johadist rhetoric he was spouting to condone his crack rage….
don’t let yourselves be duped by the anti-Jihadist rhetoric the Brits are using to condone their colonial rage … that dude was a Brit, born and reared .. Innit
I guess most of you have never lived in a Muslim country.. and ye have never gone drinking with them…
Everyone freely admits he was born in Britain but he converted to Islam you plank
London shall burn “again”
Can I just ask why red thumps are being deleted, I noticed yesterday on a different news story that Ollie o Sullivan had zero red thumps, and then noticed they were being deleted, and it’s happening now in this story with the same person. Why is this happening?
This war on Terror will never end as long as people dont get the big picture.
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