Mr jingles top quality trolling !

Can you quote me where I had an opinion about Martin McGuinness and his past?

Or, as usual, you spout nonsense that will be picked apart in seconds.

Jog on!

For the record, McGuinness and Robinson are doing ok in NI iro holding a still fragile process together.

“Tell me this, how is south africa a better place because of him?”

I’m pretty sure an end to institutionalized segregation was a positive step forward.

Sh**thawke

Meant for mr jingles

Mandela would be missed if it wasn’t for the fact that James Gandolfini passed away this week. Now there was a truly great man.

Omg you are a prize idiot go get a brain An actor versus a man who changed the course of history. Maybe you should educate yourself you troll

Grainne, are you serious?

Declan Byrne: surely she must be winding us up lol :)

I think so. She definitely got to Orla.

If anyone doubts Mandela’s greatness then they should just look at what happened in Zimbabwe after independence. South Africa under Mandela refused to take ‘revenge’ on the white population and embraced them. It is now the most prosperous and democratic country on the continent. Zimbabwe is just the opposite because of Mugabe.

Wow my comment got deleted. Just goes to show how deluded the liberal left are!

A true hero and icon in world history.

Orla obviously doesn’t have a clue about this subject and is just another sheep believing all she is fed. The man is a tyrant who oversaw the transformation of his country from a safe economic powerhouse under the racist Apartheid regime to a crime ridden basket case. Yes Orla, he changed history, but so did Hitler. Maybe you should save some of your misspent worship for real heroes.

Safe economic powerhouse? Nobody would do business with them because of apartheid. It only looked like an affluent society because only a minority had access to its wealth. You need to look deeper to understand a society. The proliferation of shanty towns along the SA borders is not because of poverty but because people from other countries flock there as it offers stability and opportunity. As for Mandela being a tyrant. That is just stupid. His position for a long time was only ceremonial and he provided a figurehead for equality. He never actually participated in legislating or in the running of the economy. People need to get their facts right and stop slandering a man who should be idolised.

Sorry, Grainne, but you lost all credibility with your first post. The second one only proves you’re looking for attention.

It is a pity that your comments got deleted. Now nobody gets the chance to see how stupid they were. Though if you feel strongly enough about your views then I suggest you post under your real name.

That was to Mr. Jingles

This magic won’t last much longer after Mandela goes. The Africans have shown their xenophobia towards other Africans. South Africa itself needs to be put into intensive care.

They’ve been saying that for nearly twenty years and it hasn’t happened yet. Everybody expected a complete disaster at the World Cup and it didn’t happen. I don’t deny South Africa is facing a lot of challenges, not least from the current ANC leadership, but I wouldn’t write it off just yet.

South Africa the most prosperous and democratic country on the continent? That is manifestly false. As recently as April this year the South African government had brought in media laws that Freedom House called “indicative of an increasingly worrying trajectory on press freedom” in the country. A quarter of the population live in abject poverty. I’m not questioning Mandela himself, but the ANC are not a particularly positive force for South Africa. It was the ordinary people of South Africa who stood up to the oppression of the apartheid state. In many ways the ANC betrayed Mandela’s vision.

@Tony. South Africa has the highest GDP in Africa and is also the fastest developing country in the world. There is poverty but nothing like other countries. So, what I said isn’t ‘manifestly false’.

Totally agree

Fisi water, if you watch the documentary, there’s an interview with Mandela himself which will astound you.

Pilger is an investigative journalist and documentary maker of the highest calibre, not some opinionated antiestablishment cook.

After Decolonisation many countries in Africa became dictatorships with people ruling according to tribal allegiances. Those who weren’t of the ruling tribe were barred from everything. This included voting, working, owning property, etc. Millions died through fighting and starvation and continue to do so. Companies won’t invest in them and the majority of revenue is sent out of these countries to rest in accounts belonging to a few corrupt rulers. South Africa mightn’t be a Utopia but it has the ability to change and progress. This in part is because of the leadership Mandela provided after black independence. The country could have been torn apart by civil war but Mandela made sure that didn’t happen by giving everybody a say in the countries running. Nobody could have done a better job and his critics are few, but you can’t please everybody.

You tell em Bosco :)