Then Jim what I would suggest is you lobby your local TD and get him and his colleagues to get the government to untie the Hands of Prison Staff and ignore the whinging and crying of the do gooders. When that happens and Prison Staff have a free hand to deal with prisoners the way they should then Jim there will be very little problems with gangs.

You have to remember our prisons are run by an “Ah now lads” mentality they are not real world prisons.

I can recall the last time they were imprisoned on spike they set fire to it and caused major damage.

The first officer who lays a hand on a 17 year old will be suspended or transferred because they might be defending themselves or someone else. Staff hands are tied when dealing with 17 year olds

Cane the bastards. Prison should be harsh. Ignore the do-gooders as we have listened to them for way too long.

This is why army boot camps are a good idea.

Let them best the sh*t out off each other… Better they do it in there then out on the streets ..

Well said Mick.

Rockall: it’s so small it should be renamed F#ckall.

Prison is great. Its like a little,holiday.

Boot camps with a big size ten boot in the arse when they misbehave.

Has anyone seen a Japanese film called “battle royale”?

Love it Thomas. Let the hunger games begin.

Dave. Prison Staff are more than capable of dealing with rioters. Its the shit that comes after. They come looking for a scapegoat as to why Johnny Convict is black and blue. And was such force necessary. As I said before untie the staffs hands give them carte blanch to run the prisons without outside interference (Politicians, Inspectors and all sorts of do-gooders ) and I guarantee you Prisons would run like a Swiss Watch.

Hmmmm. Power trip much mick?

Hi Mick exactly my point. Privatise it and focus more on enforcing structure and routine. I don’t mean beating the heads off lads willy nilly but there seems to be a grey area in terms of discipline that hinges on “political correctness” which I don’t think is working. I can’t comment on how respectful inmates are of the prison guards but when I recently watched a documentary on Black Dolphin prison in Russia these guys are much hardened criminals and are in complete fear of their surroundings and the guards to the point you can tell they will never contemplate not paying a parking fine they are that fearful of going back.

No reality EP. If staff even so much as look crooked at a prisoner now they can make a complaint and have it investigated by an outside body. And during said investigation the Officer in question is presumed guilty until they can prove their innocence. The Americans tried all this touchy feely crap decades ago and discovered it doesn’t work. So they went back to the old way of strict discipline and zero tolerance. And the Japanese prison system should be held up to the world as a model of how to run prisons. Don’t hear of any riots in Japanese prisons.

the russian parliment also passed by 283 votes to 1 a law to chemically castrate repeat offender paedophiles, imagine the shennanigans in d4 if that came before the houses of the oireachtas

Jim. Private prisons in the US are a disaster. Its about profit. Staff are extremely poorly paid and treated like shit. And as such they are more open to corruption and having an “I don’t give a shit attitude”. More prisoners have escaped from from private prisons than the equivalent State run ones. You just have to look to the Northern Ireland Prison Service to see the disaster Privatisation is. Remember the scandal last year where they had Private Contractors manning the prisons at night!!! Well put them in charge during the day and you can double it.

I really doubt such drastic action would be taken if prison officers were simply looking crooked at offenders…

Would of been the ideal scenario for a certain Larry Murphy

Off ye go mick, head away to japan and work over there, sure anything goes in their prisons…torture, rape of prisoners..

I suggest you take a look at the new regulations. And I quote. “If a prisoner feels they have received improper service from staff their complaint Will be taken as grade 1 and Will be investigated”.

Now EP you are showing your ignorance of the Japanese prison system.

The japanese systems are some of the harshest in the world. Granted there might not be issues regarding drugs, riots, gangs ets. But this is achieved through an inhumane, repressive regime where prisoners are basically at the whim of the officers and amnesty have raised many questions over the methods used.. Also, you are referring to adult prisons in japan, we are referring specifically to juvenile detention centres here..But it sounds like the japanese methods are the ones youd be happiest with implementing here? So I suggest you inform yourself on what happens in japanese prisons and then return with an argument.

And do you think you walk straight into a prison after your interview. Research your subject my friend. Prison officers are bound by rules and regulations and have to abide by them. 99% of them do. Prisoners are bound by rules and regulations 99% of them Dont. You have no idea of prison life and it shows. We can all watch Nat geo and think were experts.

Precisely my point. Zero tolerance. Behave like a vicious rabid animal be treated as such. The so called Children have been given every chance in the judicial system before being sent to prison. They are the worst of the worst.
So EP what would you suggest? Holding their hand and telling them bedtime stories. And when they assault a member of staff or anyone else sent them to sit on the naughty step until they say sorry.

Ah Mick, sure wasn’t Mr L and his ideas only great….run it like a primary school!

Have you studied them or did you just read this when that yank got locked up for killing that girl from wexford. The latter i

Prisons, officers etc, all too expensive.
Two year conscription instead of prison would simplify things.

Nice statistics peter.. Made up on the spot im sure.

No EP from years of experience. May I ask what experience you have of working in prisons?

Yep, that’l teach em. Where is the distinction between your mindset and the mindset of one of these young offenders so mick? Behave like an animal and i’ll treat you like one? makes you so much better than them alright..
I said in a previous post, that more training and supports should be available to officers firstly. This would help the professionals encountering these situations everyday to manage their own emotional health, and enable them to cope better with the trials of the job.
But if staff were found to be expressing sentiments like yours, let alone acting on them, id have them out of that job quicker than you could shake a stick. Heres hoping youre not a prison officer working with young offenders, carrying a stinking attitude to young people into work every day.

You may ask. Ive never worked in a prison, maybe it would suck the life and hope out of me in terms of how to treat people (esp young) with respect and dignity, regardless of their past. Because at the end of the day, I would be acting in a professional capacity, as the supposed mature, capable and rational prison officer.

if I started to view the young people through the same eyes that I perceived they viewed the world through, I.e. they treat everyone like sh1t so its ok for me to treat them like sh1t, then I would question my role as a prison officer mick.

I do work with young people however, some of whom are offenders, some not. And ive encountered many difficult situations in my day to day work. And if I ever start to echo sentiments like yours in a rant, I hope id have the sense to look for a new career.

EP how do rehabilitate some one that doesn’t want to rehabilitated? Its like trying to dry out an alcoholic that doesn’t want to dry out. Many of these scrotes come from criminal families. The Fathers, Brothers, Uncles and Cousins are criminals. So why do you think you and your ilk think that you ate going to change them? It’s always someone else’s fault that they are the way they are. Usually people like you will blame society, government, where they live and any other excuse that comes to mind. You never say its their own fault. When I was 16-17 I was quite aware theft, assault, drug dealing etc were illegal. I knew if I did x,y,or z I would be breaking the law and could be sent to prison. They know this too. They make the choice to break the law. They are quite capable of thinking for themselves. Everything else is just an excuse.

Was your father, were your uncles, cousins, grandfathers, friends, role models etc. were they all criminals when you were sixteen?

There you go blaming everyone else. They have a mind of their own.

Your just a typical do gooder and you and your ilk are actually part of the problem.

But I didnt mick? In fact you did.. You mentioned their fathers and brothers and uncles etc. in your post first. Almost disproving your own theory in the process. So many young offenders are exposed to criminal behaviour from role models and peers at an early age that they start to see crime and antisocial behaviour as viable choices..the distinctions between “right and wrong” become blurred, and yes although.they ultimately choose the behaviour, they have not exactly experienced the same reality as you or I. So you actually offered the ‘excuse’ in your post. I am merely drawing your attention to it.

Cheers peter.. Rather be called a ‘do gooder’ than the alternartive? obviously differing opinions here lads, heres hoping, if you guys happen to work with young offenders, the ombudsman doesn’t come across any posts of yours.

“If you want to know me then come and live with me” I’ve had the displeasure of being in the place a number of times, through work. It’s like a badge of honour for most of those that are housed in there! A bit of street credibility when they get back out and younger up and coming scrotes look up to them, and the cycle begins!

Quite on the contrary EP. They have seen the results of their families criminality. Prison. Yet they still choose that path. What’s that old saying “if you won’t learn from past mistakes you are destined to repeat them”. They choose not to learn.

may be if you put as much effort into your work with young people as you do into commenting on a situation of which you have no knowledge, we might have a few less offenders in prison

Joe Arpaio seems to run his prison in such a way that there is only one gang in control and he is very cost effective in running it. The American system of Law Enforcement is not perfect either.

You mean Joe “Multiple ongoing federal corruption investigations, used sheriff’s office resourses to harass political opponents, embezzled money to investigate Obama’s real birth cert, runs a pay to stay luxury jail for the wealthy” Arpaio?

That’s him all right and his boss is the Taxpayer and if he is proven guilty he will be voted out of his job unlike this country, we reward idiots with big money and pensions !

David how many times has he been voted into office. 6 times hasn’t it. And how many investigations have been launched and failed to find anything by people that don’t like his methods. 9 so far I believe. He has been Sheriff of Maracopa County for 26 years. The people of Maracopa seem to think he is doing a good job. And they are the only ones that count.

100% Mick, he has served his Country well but no doubt picked up a few enemies (do gooders) on the way. A man with a pair !