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Senators vote against fatal foetal abnormalities amendment

The amendment was defeated by 42 votes to 10. Here’s how the senators voted.

SENATORS HAVE VOTED against an amendment to the ‘abortion bill’ that would have allowed for termination in the case of fatal foetal abnormality.

The amendment to the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013 was tabled by Senators Fiach Mac Conghail and Mary Louise O’Donnell.

The amendment was defeated by 42 votes to 10.

It would have inserted a section making it lawful to carry out a medical procedure in respect of a pregnant woman:

in accordance with this section in the course of which, or as a result of which, a pregnancy is ended, where— (a) the medical procedure is carried out by an obstetrician at an appropriate institution, and (b) subject to section 19, two medical practitioners, having examined the pregnant woman, have jointly certified that the foetus in question has a fatal foetal abnormality.

The amendment would have also allowed for termination of pregnancy in cases of rape, incest, and inevitable miscarriage.

The discussion on this amendment lasted for around three hours, and saw heated debate and numerous points of orders being brought up by senators.

Voting

Fianna Fáil’s Averill Power and Mary White were the only members of their party to vote in favour of the amendment. Fianna Fáil members have a free vote on the issue.

No Fine Gael members voted in favour of it.

Those who did vote in favour were:

  • Senator Mac Conghail (Independent)
  • Senator Mary Ann O’Brien (Independent)
  • Senator Jillian Van Turnhout (Independent
  • Senator Katherine Zappone (Independent)
  • Senator Mary Louise O’Donnell (Independent)
  • Senator Seán Barrett (Independent)
  • Senator David Norris (Independent)
  • Senator James Heffernan (Labour)
  • Senator Mary White (Fianna Fáil)
  • Senator Averill Power (Fianna Fáil)

The discussion covered the issues of what constituted fatal foetal abnormalities – with some senators objecting to the discussion by others of Down Syndrome and disabilities, pointing out they were not fatal foetal abnormalities.

Senators Ronán Mullen and Jim Walsh said they had spoken to people who were conceived as a result of rape, and this had contributed to their rejection of the amendment.

Senator Ivana Bacik spoke of why the amendments were constitutionally outside the remits of the bill itself.

Senator Fidelma Healy-Eames rejected assertions that she made “a value judgement” on two sets of women who had decided on different approaches to their diagnoses of fatal foetal abnormality.

Senator David Norris spoke about the length of the discussion on the amendment, alleging it was “a political sleight of hand” to try and “force a guillotine through”.

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    Mute Diarmuid
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    May 7th 2017, 7:13 PM

    The man has the intellect and complexion of a can of Fanta.

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    Mute Honeybadger197
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    May 7th 2017, 7:23 PM

    @Diarmuid: Thats desperately unfair to fanta .

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    Mute Gus Sheridan
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    May 7th 2017, 11:09 PM

    @Diarmuid: you would have a better chance of getting run over by a submarine whilst crossing the road than this guy sorting the mess out.

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    Mute Celtic Spirit
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    May 7th 2017, 11:23 PM

    @Diarmuid: In fairness that has given me a great laugh. Nicely put Diarmuid.

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    Mute Paul Mc
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    May 7th 2017, 7:48 PM

    Why make Iran out to be the bogey man?Most of the problems in the area are caused by American plans to destabilise the middle east for the good of Israel.

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    Mute John003
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    May 7th 2017, 8:17 PM

    @Paul Mc: Isreal would have much preferred Assad in Syria than Sunni Jahadi groups there now….Iran proxy army is much more powerful now because of Syria..Hezbollah….If was at behest of Sunni Saudi Arabia and Qatar that Obama armed the moderate Jahadis in Syria not Isreal…

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    Mute Mick Micky
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    May 8th 2017, 12:24 PM

    @John003: thank you. A bit of balance around here is welcome.

    The Jews are not behind every world conflict as some like to make out.

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    Mute Todd Hebert
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    May 7th 2017, 7:05 PM

    Save it? Not a chance. Accelerate its demise, most certainly.

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    Mute Sorcha Hendry
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    May 7th 2017, 7:19 PM

    Its very doubhtful considering he is more likely to cause a war.

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    Mute Emeralds
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    May 7th 2017, 7:22 PM

    *2 hours later*

    *The remains of Jerusalem smoulder as the nuclear ash falls”

    NOBODY KNEW PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST WAS HARD. NOBODY.

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    Mute Johnny Merren
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    May 7th 2017, 7:10 PM

    Think maybe he will want to build a hotel and golf course there instead.

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    Mute Derek Corcoran
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    May 7th 2017, 7:07 PM

    Ehhh NO

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    Mute Eddie Byrne
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    May 7th 2017, 7:53 PM

    That’s akin to asking can Bell Enda solve Irelands problems.

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    Mute Jack Cassady
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    May 7th 2017, 8:45 PM

    Well many US presidents have failed before him so no disgrace if his name is also added to the list.
    But there again, Donald thinks outside the box so who knows.
    Bloody amazing if he did.

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    Mute John003
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    May 7th 2017, 7:18 PM

    Can’t see the Palestinians supporting an alliance against Iran….HAMAS which would win a Palestinian election if there ever is one …..Have big Iranian support….Also Hezbollah is fighting on behalf of Palestinians with Iranian support…..Isreal would not want to get involved in Sunni /Shia religious wars….They have enough problems of their own….

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    Mute Watchful Axe
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    May 7th 2017, 8:08 PM

    I’d love to see the odds from PaddyPower, accumulator; Trump secures peace in Middle East & Mayo wins All-Ireland. Worth a quid maybe.

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    Mute Dave Thomas
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    May 7th 2017, 7:12 PM

    Just like Tony blair…

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    Mute Gus Sheridan
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    May 7th 2017, 11:11 PM

    @Dave Thomas: Tony Blair the great Middle East Peace Envoy you mean?

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    Mute Ken Burke
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    May 7th 2017, 7:55 PM

    Not if he’s involved.

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    Mute George Roche
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    May 7th 2017, 8:02 PM

    Sure Tony Blair has it all sorted out already.

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    Mute Gerry Fallon
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    May 7th 2017, 8:53 PM

    What a likeable guy!
    According to himself.
    You’re asking can this fool sort out the middle east crisis?are you serious?

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    Mute DaisyChainsaw
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    May 7th 2017, 9:24 PM

    Can he fack!

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    Mute Ian McGrath
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    May 8th 2017, 2:46 AM

    I’m sorry , but that is just the wrong question to be asking. Seriously ? He can’t even help himself.

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    Mute Alois Irlmaier
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    May 8th 2017, 12:40 AM

    Nope…

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    Mute Garrett Colreavy
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    May 7th 2017, 10:25 PM

    Hell no

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